Hm, you're right, it's always a side in River/Eleven fics! *mind blown* Whereas the Clara/Eleven shippers seem to ignore River completely, just... she's not in the picture anymore, like.
TBH, that's been my issue with Amy/Eleven and Amy/Rory/Eleven and Rose/Eleven (except River tends to be painted as a shrew). All of them seem to just ignore River completely.
Yes to all of this… To be fair, it's possible and actually easy to forget River. The companion is always going to be around: there's only so much running off on adventures and further couple time *insert Eleven kissy sounds here* that can be done when they're sleeping. The companion is THE thing going on in the Doctor's life: we hear enough that the Doctor is smitten with Clara, her mystery obsesses him, and so on and so forth. River herself is globally pictured in fics as very aware of the companions' importance in the Doctor's life (logic, with her keeping track of the Doctor's whole history, plus her reaction to Donna). On the contrary, River comes and goes—and when she's not on screen, to be bluntly honest, even the Doctor seems to almost forget about her. I'm still waiting for someone to tell Nefertiti "YES, he does have a queen. Hands off now if you please." If the Doctor himself didn't have the nerve, it was to be the mother-in-law's job. Where is that Amy sass when we need it? (Also I'm never getting over River not coming to kick the Doctor's arse when he got freaking retired. I won't look for other examples, I could spend the night…) Back to the point… It'll be interesting, when we get the finale, to find out whether Clara had heard of River's existence at all before the moment of their meeting. I honestly think both alternatives are fairly likely. Nothing resists the Doctor's ability to compartmentalize. (And looking past the story itself, strictly from the POV of the showwriter, it's pretty understandable—there are enough River haters as it is…)
Hm, guess that's the path of least resistance? Or because it seems like you'll have to spend half the fic discussing monogamy?
And yes to this! It's her own fault for not being around to defend her own after all—she should know by now that her husband always ends up kissing and getting kissed in the most random fashion! *sarcasm* (Besides, in the case of Rose/Eleven, the basis is different: basically, "I was there first"… Up to discussion, that one…)
I would have thought it existed at least somewhat independently tho... Me too… The incest argument seems obvious now, of course. But we all think about it because we've read meta (or some of us DO the thinky wonder *grins up at elisi's and promethia's posts). Of course everybody wonders and does theories, more or less, but I know that personally, I probably wouldn't have come up with that one on my own—simply because I felt that the family storyline had already been used a lot with the Ponds. Of course I see now that Moffat always pulls the related thing, but I'm sure I would have missed it. And I honestly have trouble buying the whole FF + AO3 + Teaspoon audience combined, collectively being like "careful, they might be related!". My faith in fandom awareness doesn't go that far.
maybe they just need to see them on screen together. So yeah. Probably quite a bit of that too.
Or you could prompt it on the kinkmeme? Even though that's slowed down as well idk That's a good idea! Thanks! ^_^
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Date: 2013-04-29 08:10 pm (UTC)TBH, that's been my issue with Amy/Eleven and Amy/Rory/Eleven and Rose/Eleven (except River tends to be painted as a shrew). All of them seem to just ignore River completely.
Yes to all of this… To be fair, it's possible and actually easy to forget River. The companion is always going to be around: there's only so much running off on adventures and further couple time *insert Eleven kissy sounds here* that can be done when they're sleeping. The companion is THE thing going on in the Doctor's life: we hear enough that the Doctor is smitten with Clara, her mystery obsesses him, and so on and so forth. River herself is globally pictured in fics as very aware of the companions' importance in the Doctor's life (logic, with her keeping track of the Doctor's whole history, plus her reaction to Donna). On the contrary, River comes and goes—and when she's not on screen, to be bluntly honest, even the Doctor seems to almost forget about her. I'm still waiting for someone to tell Nefertiti "YES, he does have a queen. Hands off now if you please." If the Doctor himself didn't have the nerve, it was to be the mother-in-law's job. Where is that Amy sass when we need it? (Also I'm never getting over River not coming to kick the Doctor's arse when he got freaking retired. I won't look for other examples, I could spend the night…)
Back to the point… It'll be interesting, when we get the finale, to find out whether Clara had heard of River's existence at all before the moment of their meeting. I honestly think both alternatives are fairly likely. Nothing resists the Doctor's ability to compartmentalize. (And looking past the story itself, strictly from the POV of the showwriter, it's pretty understandable—there are enough River haters as it is…)
Hm, guess that's the path of least resistance? Or because it seems like you'll have to spend half the fic discussing monogamy?
And yes to this! It's her own fault for not being around to defend her own after all—she should know by now that her husband always ends up kissing and getting kissed in the most random fashion! *sarcasm*
(Besides, in the case of Rose/Eleven, the basis is different: basically, "I was there first"… Up to discussion, that one…)
I would have thought it existed at least somewhat independently tho...
Me too… The incest argument seems obvious now, of course. But we all think about it because we've read meta (or some of us DO the thinky wonder *grins up at elisi's and promethia's posts). Of course everybody wonders and does theories, more or less, but I know that personally, I probably wouldn't have come up with that one on my own—simply because I felt that the family storyline had already been used a lot with the Ponds. Of course I see now that Moffat always pulls the related thing, but I'm sure I would have missed it. And I honestly have trouble buying the whole FF + AO3 + Teaspoon audience combined, collectively being like "careful, they might be related!". My faith in fandom awareness doesn't go that far.
maybe they just need to see them on screen together.
So yeah. Probably quite a bit of that too.
Or you could prompt it on the kinkmeme? Even though that's slowed down as well idk
That's a good idea! Thanks! ^_^